zzz
thx obscuratus
orignal
wb, zzz
zzz
thanks
T3s|4
zzz: it's really great to see you back!
RN
Woot! Welcome back!
eyedeekay
+v organize
eyedeekay
God I hate IRC on Android
orignal
zzz.i2p ?
eyedeekay
Now, organize, the reason that DNT is not a fingerprinting issue on I2P or when using an outproxy is because DNT doesn't make you more unique unless you're the only one using it
orignal
what is DNT?
eyedeekay
If you've got a properly configured browser, DNT is on, if you don't, it isn't
eyedeekay
Do Not Track, the header thing that browsers sometimes send
orignal
organize or organise?
eyedeekay
organise
orignal
I thought you want someone to organize something
eyedeekay
Guess I'm not speaking the King's English today
orignal
use tab
orignal
so, it would be nice to see zzz.i2p online even with a placeholder page
orignal
as a proof that zzz is back
orignal
I trust I2P keys, but not nickserve's database
eyedeekay
If jump opspeople are talking about expiring dead hostnames then maybe a non-forum placeholder would be helpful
Opicaak
Sending DNT is most of the time completely useless.
eyedeekay
If services don't honor it it does nothing but when you recommend a browser configuration you have to choose either everybody has it on or everybody doesn't. It's not choosing that causes it to be harmful
eyedeekay
Fingerprintable characteristics only matter if they differ in externally visible way
Opicaak
Whoever is organise, s/he can't talk.
Opicaak
eche|on, +v organise?
organise
Thanks fellow crimethinkers
Opicaak
eyedeekay, DNT is also deprecated, and should no longer be used.
Opicaak
Hello, organise.
orignal
so, i2p-dev is in +m now?
organise
As stated, according to the EFF who operate the service coveryourtracks.eff.org, of those people that take the test, ie. of those people who are interesting in maintaining their privacy, the DNT header splits *that* very population into two.
orignal
Haven't been here for a long time, just entered to greet zzz
organise
Europe have made DNT an enforceable law since DNT was deprecated apparently.
Opicaak
Wait wtf? EU requires this header to exist?
eyedeekay
organise that's true but that's describing the problem not the solution, the solution is to have your application, i.e. the browser, behave in a uniform way, i.e. not split the population
eyedeekay
That's why I spent all that time on browser config
organise
Not quite, if someone says DNT: 1 then it is an offence not to honor it.
eyedeekay
Literally exactly what i2p.plugins.firefox is for
organise
Blinded message
Opicaak
Interesting, so you could quite literally report almost every website in the EU for not honoring it.
organise
eyedeekay, Okay so your work adds the DNT to Tor/Firefox etc?
RN
but if my eepsite does not honor it, how are you going to come after me?
RN
you can't
Opicaak
I assume this is about accessing clearnet sites through i2p.
RN
it is irrelevant in I2P
RN
but also eepsites generally don't use google analytics and such anyway
organise
Well, it depends on how many hands can see what you are doing. In a large company a whistleblower can probably come forward and report them to the EU
organise
Blinded message
RN
orignal, I believe the +m was set due to spam issues
orignal
practicaly it means than an ordidary newbie can't ask thier question to the devs
orignal
btw, I could when I was I newbie in I2P and there was no +m on i2p-dev. Pity
eyedeekay
organise yes i2p.plugins.firefox adds it among other things, it makes you look like the arkenfox/librewolf style profile, or TBB if it's available
organise
Okay, that's great to hear. Thanks. I hadn't been able to test that. Last I checked, Tor Browser does not add the header.
organise
Tor Project probably figured it might break functionality of some sites.
organise
Blinded message
eyedeekay
In general they tend to be a little more concerned with looking like a "normal" browser by default, which IMO is slightly inconsistent for them and extremely inconsistent for us. Tor exits are well known, and in our case, almost everybody who will have the same exit IP. There's no hiding that you're egressing an anonymous network, so what matters is having everybody on the same config and limiting available
eyedeekay
variation
organise
Agree.
organise
On this topic of having a good browser configuration, it is probably not great that all the instructions on this page seem to go to clearnet sites (http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/download/firefox)
organise
Blinded message
organise
Blinded message
eyedeekay
It's already on my list
eyedeekay
An i2p equivalent of a.m.o. would be great too but there's an insane amount of tooling to write before that's viable
organ1se
eyedeekay What is "a.m.o."? It looks like you have a fine site (git.idk.i2p), albeit it does require js, which people seeking the setup will not be able to comfortably handle yet, I guess.
organ1se
Is that what you mean?
organ1se
Maybe this is a good link to use? (http://git.idk.i2p/idk/i2p.plugins.firefox/-/raw/main/README.md)
organ1se
Maybe this is an off-topic gitlab question, but why does the build.html render the html verbatim? (http://git.idk.i2p/idk/i2p.plugins.firefox/-/raw/main/docs/BUILD.html)
organ1se
Anyway the raw build.md displays in a predictable way (http://git.idk.i2p/idk/i2p.plugins.firefox/-/raw/main/docs/BUILD.md)
organ1se
I notice that there are some TODO's in that BUILD.md
dr|z3d
you're looking at the *raw* file, that's why you're seeing the contents of the file.
dr|z3d
md files, when not displayed as raw, are rendered by gitlab. html files aren't, outside of the framework of the software itself.
organ1se
dr|z3d yes, maybe I assumed poorly that the browser would render the HTML nicely.
organ1se
Anyway I'd like to chip in. What are the exact files that I need to go through to outline exactly how Strict Mode customises the browser? I will attempt to go through the files and this will also help those masochists who are obsessed with manually doing this stuff. lol
eyedeekay
build.xml mostly, by and large it is generated from other tools, and all the md files
eyedeekay
As for the html files, for most of my work repo==site, give the site generator a repository, it finds the markdown files and uses them to generate a website, which I then clone back into the eepsite docroot
dr|z3d
are you around for a while, eyedeekay? and obscuratus, you about?